Post by EconomistBrony on Sept 6, 2015 22:12:21 GMT -5
The log from the brief MUCK-wide meeting that occurred on September 3, 2015 at 7 PM PST is below.
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<OOC> Celestia opens the log now.
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Tonight's meeting is going to be about some required disciplinary action that the admins felt it was necessary to undertake."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "A while ago, we received a formal complaint about the player Dynamite_Rave and his alts. Specifically, they stated that he was behaving in a way that was inconsistent with the MUCK's expectations - specifically, that they were badmouthing and talking about others in ways that is inappropriate given the expectations laid out in our AUP."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "After discussing the situation with this player, we felt that there was enough to justify going into the MUCK server logs in order to see exactly what went on. We did find that Dynamite's player was talking about others in a bad way - specifically, saying things that are wholly inappropriate."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "In addition, while investigating this, we found that at the same time - literally within seconds in the server's logs - Dynamite's player was engaged in roleplay of an extremely explicitly sexual behavior with another player using the same character which was being used to say these highly inappropriate things."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Further, this roleplay was between two characters that are clearly described as underage. And, in the process of the roleplay, their underage nature was incorporated. As such, there was no way that I, or the other wizzes, felt that we could overlook this explicit roleplay."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "I talked to the other player - who I will refer to as Player2 for the sake of anonymity - and they expressed exceptional remorse and contrition. They misunderstood MUCK policy and understood that what they did was wrong."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "The wizzes have decided to suspend Player2 for two months. We will not @toad their characters, but will allow them to return at that time. We will reinforce, however, to them at that time that this behavior is inappropriate and if they break those roles again, they will risk being banned."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "We also reached out several times to Dynamite Rave's player in an attempt to meet with them. We understand that they have a busy RL and so we expressed considerable flexibility in meeting with them when they were able. However, when they finally responded, they expressed no contrition and no desire to meet with us in order for us to understand their story and side better. Instead, they dismissed our requests rather out-of-hand."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "As such, the wizzes have met and considered the situation. First, Dynamite's player has a history of inappropriate behavior dating back several years and a history of not cooperating with us, the administration. Second, we found that their behavior regarding this other player was inappropriate and a violation of the AUP. Third, explicit sexual roleplay is not allowed and is a violation of the AUP - and given the age of the characters in question, particularly inappropriate. As such, we voted unanimously to ban Dynamite Rave's player from the MUCK permanently. All their characters will be @toaded and they are not welcome to return."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "I would like to reiterate a couple pieces of MUCK policy: First, and foremost, explicit sexual roleplay is not appropriate for this MUCK. There are many other, better, venues for exploring such roleplay. Second, however, it is not MUCK policy to intrude on player privacy except in the process of investigating a material complaint of wrongdoing by a given player."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Finally, I am in the process of meeting with my fellow wizzes to discuss revising the AUP to add a line that clarifies, explicitly, that explicitly sexual roleplay is not appropriate for this MUCK. It has never been appropriate - and was discussed in detail early in the MUCK's existence - but given circumstances and changes in playerbase, we felt it might be necessary to clarify in the AUP itself."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "I will now take questions from anyone who has one. Please whisper to me that you have a question and I will call you in the order received. If you wish it to be anonymous, you may whisper it to me and I will answer it in the same order."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "There's been one question: was Dynamite badmouthing the same player he was roleplaying with? No - Dynamite's player was badmouthing another third party."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "An anonymous question asks what steps have been taken to ensure he can't apply for new alts anonymously under a different ISP. I am working with our host and ProgrammerPony to see what can be done."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "I just chatted with our host today, in fact. PP is currently undertaking a very big move, but he is also working on it when he can."
<OOC> EconomistBrony calls on Hollyhock.
<OOC> Hollyhock puts her hoof down (which was obviously raised this whole time. Then she stands, clears her throat, and asks, "So, cain't help but wonder, but was *I* the pony he was talkin' 'bout? 'cause, honestly, that'd kind'a please me if it were."
<OOC> EconomistBrony shakes his head to Holly. "No, you were not."
<OOC> Hollyhock looks a little disappointed, but she nods, and sits down, "Thanks."
<OOC> Eris says, "It was me."
<OOC> Fluttershy says, "...!"
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Red - you have a question?"
<OOC> Hollyhock snorts quietly, then nods to Eris.
<OOC> Red_Velvet Nods, "I do, it concerns player2. They are banned for two months, does this mean we will see them again in November? Or the first part of December?"
<OOC> Nettleglum would be happy to badmouth you if it would make you feel better, Miss Hollyhock. You have no pallor and your pulse is too steady. ._. It had to be said.
<OOC> Red_Velvet says, "Providing they choose to return of course."
Starlight giggles at Nettie.
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Two weeks from the date they were officially suspended - which was this last Sunday, August 30. They are welcome to return on October 30."
<OOC> Fluttershy says, "It might be better if we didn't try to guess who it was."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Or after."
<OOC> Hollyhock hangs her head. She'll try and improve on these things in the future -.-
<OOC> Red_Velvet says, "Oh of course, it is best not to know."
<OOC> EconomistBrony nods to Fluttershy.
<OOC> Nettleglum says, "I must agree with Miss Fluttershy. It would be better to have no hints about the other player."
<OOC> Virga says, "Oh yes, talk bad to me, Nettie. I must feeeeeeeeeelllllll the cold, unliving words from your mouth that suck my life force away! o _o Pleasedontkillmeandusemyremaisforyourlivingplanthings."
<OOC> Nettleglum ._.
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "All right, are there any last questions before we dismiss the meeting?"
<OOC> Red_Velvet says, "I misunderstood. I had thought the second players ban was for two months, rather than two weeks."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Two months."
<OOC> Red_Velvet says, "Ah..."
<OOC> Virga says, "._."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "The suspension is for two months starting August 30."
<OOC> Dusk says, "He said two weeks, but gave the correct dates."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "I did"
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Ooops!"
<OOC> Red_Velvet says, "I see!"
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "I'm sorry. Two months. I'm sorry, it's been a long day."
<OOC> Red_Velvet says, "It is quite alright EB, it seems you have had a trying time of late."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Any final questions?"
<OOC> Nettleglum says, "I understand, dear. Cleaning up after a griffon all day can be quite taxing, I understand."
<OOC> Dusk says, "And yes, can be hard to ban someone from trying another provider to get a character, on a technical means. You'd mostly have to go by behavior of the player to tell. But it doesn't sound like he's interested in trying to get back on either."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "If there are no more questions, Celestia will close the log in 30 seconds."
Starlight has a notion Dynamite is not going to want to be somewhere sex is banned.
<OOC> Dusk says, "If he was, he would have just had to talk with the wiz staff."
<OOC> Red_Velvet says, "No further questions here."
<OOC> You say, "5..."
<OOC> You say, "The log is now closed."
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<OOC> Celestia opens the log now.
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Tonight's meeting is going to be about some required disciplinary action that the admins felt it was necessary to undertake."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "A while ago, we received a formal complaint about the player Dynamite_Rave and his alts. Specifically, they stated that he was behaving in a way that was inconsistent with the MUCK's expectations - specifically, that they were badmouthing and talking about others in ways that is inappropriate given the expectations laid out in our AUP."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "After discussing the situation with this player, we felt that there was enough to justify going into the MUCK server logs in order to see exactly what went on. We did find that Dynamite's player was talking about others in a bad way - specifically, saying things that are wholly inappropriate."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "In addition, while investigating this, we found that at the same time - literally within seconds in the server's logs - Dynamite's player was engaged in roleplay of an extremely explicitly sexual behavior with another player using the same character which was being used to say these highly inappropriate things."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Further, this roleplay was between two characters that are clearly described as underage. And, in the process of the roleplay, their underage nature was incorporated. As such, there was no way that I, or the other wizzes, felt that we could overlook this explicit roleplay."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "I talked to the other player - who I will refer to as Player2 for the sake of anonymity - and they expressed exceptional remorse and contrition. They misunderstood MUCK policy and understood that what they did was wrong."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "The wizzes have decided to suspend Player2 for two months. We will not @toad their characters, but will allow them to return at that time. We will reinforce, however, to them at that time that this behavior is inappropriate and if they break those roles again, they will risk being banned."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "We also reached out several times to Dynamite Rave's player in an attempt to meet with them. We understand that they have a busy RL and so we expressed considerable flexibility in meeting with them when they were able. However, when they finally responded, they expressed no contrition and no desire to meet with us in order for us to understand their story and side better. Instead, they dismissed our requests rather out-of-hand."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "As such, the wizzes have met and considered the situation. First, Dynamite's player has a history of inappropriate behavior dating back several years and a history of not cooperating with us, the administration. Second, we found that their behavior regarding this other player was inappropriate and a violation of the AUP. Third, explicit sexual roleplay is not allowed and is a violation of the AUP - and given the age of the characters in question, particularly inappropriate. As such, we voted unanimously to ban Dynamite Rave's player from the MUCK permanently. All their characters will be @toaded and they are not welcome to return."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "I would like to reiterate a couple pieces of MUCK policy: First, and foremost, explicit sexual roleplay is not appropriate for this MUCK. There are many other, better, venues for exploring such roleplay. Second, however, it is not MUCK policy to intrude on player privacy except in the process of investigating a material complaint of wrongdoing by a given player."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Finally, I am in the process of meeting with my fellow wizzes to discuss revising the AUP to add a line that clarifies, explicitly, that explicitly sexual roleplay is not appropriate for this MUCK. It has never been appropriate - and was discussed in detail early in the MUCK's existence - but given circumstances and changes in playerbase, we felt it might be necessary to clarify in the AUP itself."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "I will now take questions from anyone who has one. Please whisper to me that you have a question and I will call you in the order received. If you wish it to be anonymous, you may whisper it to me and I will answer it in the same order."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "There's been one question: was Dynamite badmouthing the same player he was roleplaying with? No - Dynamite's player was badmouthing another third party."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "An anonymous question asks what steps have been taken to ensure he can't apply for new alts anonymously under a different ISP. I am working with our host and ProgrammerPony to see what can be done."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "I just chatted with our host today, in fact. PP is currently undertaking a very big move, but he is also working on it when he can."
<OOC> EconomistBrony calls on Hollyhock.
<OOC> Hollyhock puts her hoof down (which was obviously raised this whole time. Then she stands, clears her throat, and asks, "So, cain't help but wonder, but was *I* the pony he was talkin' 'bout? 'cause, honestly, that'd kind'a please me if it were."
<OOC> EconomistBrony shakes his head to Holly. "No, you were not."
<OOC> Hollyhock looks a little disappointed, but she nods, and sits down, "Thanks."
<OOC> Eris says, "It was me."
<OOC> Fluttershy says, "...!"
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Red - you have a question?"
<OOC> Hollyhock snorts quietly, then nods to Eris.
<OOC> Red_Velvet Nods, "I do, it concerns player2. They are banned for two months, does this mean we will see them again in November? Or the first part of December?"
<OOC> Nettleglum would be happy to badmouth you if it would make you feel better, Miss Hollyhock. You have no pallor and your pulse is too steady. ._. It had to be said.
<OOC> Red_Velvet says, "Providing they choose to return of course."
Starlight giggles at Nettie.
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Two weeks from the date they were officially suspended - which was this last Sunday, August 30. They are welcome to return on October 30."
<OOC> Fluttershy says, "It might be better if we didn't try to guess who it was."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Or after."
<OOC> Hollyhock hangs her head. She'll try and improve on these things in the future -.-
<OOC> Red_Velvet says, "Oh of course, it is best not to know."
<OOC> EconomistBrony nods to Fluttershy.
<OOC> Nettleglum says, "I must agree with Miss Fluttershy. It would be better to have no hints about the other player."
<OOC> Virga says, "Oh yes, talk bad to me, Nettie. I must feeeeeeeeeelllllll the cold, unliving words from your mouth that suck my life force away! o _o Pleasedontkillmeandusemyremaisforyourlivingplanthings."
<OOC> Nettleglum ._.
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "All right, are there any last questions before we dismiss the meeting?"
<OOC> Red_Velvet says, "I misunderstood. I had thought the second players ban was for two months, rather than two weeks."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Two months."
<OOC> Red_Velvet says, "Ah..."
<OOC> Virga says, "._."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "The suspension is for two months starting August 30."
<OOC> Dusk says, "He said two weeks, but gave the correct dates."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "I did"
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Ooops!"
<OOC> Red_Velvet says, "I see!"
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "I'm sorry. Two months. I'm sorry, it's been a long day."
<OOC> Red_Velvet says, "It is quite alright EB, it seems you have had a trying time of late."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "Any final questions?"
<OOC> Nettleglum says, "I understand, dear. Cleaning up after a griffon all day can be quite taxing, I understand."
<OOC> Dusk says, "And yes, can be hard to ban someone from trying another provider to get a character, on a technical means. You'd mostly have to go by behavior of the player to tell. But it doesn't sound like he's interested in trying to get back on either."
<OOC> EconomistBrony says, "If there are no more questions, Celestia will close the log in 30 seconds."
Starlight has a notion Dynamite is not going to want to be somewhere sex is banned.
<OOC> Dusk says, "If he was, he would have just had to talk with the wiz staff."
<OOC> Red_Velvet says, "No further questions here."
<OOC> You say, "5..."
<OOC> You say, "The log is now closed."